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I sold my original Rolling block and the book I bought on Rolling Blocks. Post In modern times, such an addition became known as Model 1910 for collector convenience, but again was not an official Remington Arms Company term. Locally applied markings such as a Crown over RV (Regiment of Volunteers) on Spanish/Cuban versions will add 10% to 20%, depending on the condition. Your email address will not be published. [18][19], The French acquired 210,000 Egyptian rolling-block rifles to make up for a shortage of the standard-issue Chassepot and Tabatire rifles during the Franco-Prussian War. by Uechi Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:53 am, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited, Topics related to Pre - 1898 Remington Rifles. Introduced in early 1902, improved Model 1897 unofficially became known as Model 1902 given its first year of production, with updated automatic extractor. Essentially a Spanish Model rifle, with two bands and 30.5" barrel, all chambered for .43 Spanish cartridge. First-year contract version with its concave breech-block is scarce and will reap a 50 percent premium depending on condition. [6] About 7,000 short carbines with the Swedish designation "karbin m/1870" were also made, and in addition to that about 9,600 "gevr m/1864-68" were shortened to carbine length in 1886-87 and given the designation "karbin m/1864-68-85". Remington Rolling Block Sporterized 7x57mm Mauser 30" Barrel 8lbs 2oz 13 1/2" LOP Walnut Sporter Style Stock with Sling Swivels. In 1899-1900, Mexico bought 14,712 of these military-style rifles and carbines for issue to its second-line army troops, as well as to federal and rural police. Every three months youll receive a colorful, 60-page all-Remington magazine. Probably never know anything else about the rifle' owner but it obviously had special meaning to someone and now to me. Denmark ordered 42,000 rifles and 1,800 carbines in 11mm Danish Remington rimfire cartridge. Many may well have been re-chambered during the 1960s re-barreling craze of surplus rolling block rifles and carbines. The frame is a small to medium size between the heavy actions of the target and military rifles but larger than the small-frame .22 rifles. The price for each barrel was slightly higher, but the better design reduced misfire damage and ultimately resulted in cost effectiveness. The technical storage or access is necessary for the legitimate purpose of storing preferences that are not requested by the subscriber or user. Originally published in the June 2006 issue of Wild West. Remington Rolling Block No.4 The #4 Remington rolling block is the smallest of the rolling block rifles. In 1964 an Ohio woman took up the challenge that had led to Amelia Earharts disappearance. It nevers ceases to frustrate me when you look at or purchase a No.1 Sporter with matching serial numbers and it it isn't even possible to determine the year of manufacture. In 1881, about 978 rifles were sold to the Kingdom of Korea with the remainder sold as surplus to Hong Kong in 1885. Later Model 1897 was not catalogued in these two scarce chamberings. [21] In November 1914, production of the rolling-block was resumed, in the form of a French contract for rifles in 850mmR Lebel, designated by France as "Fusil Remington modle 1914". Model 6 Rolling Block. It was made in .22 S,L,LR caliber, .25 Stevens, and .32 Short or Long RF. The Dominican Republic was one of the last recorded customers purchasing a quantity as late as 1888. Introduced in 1901 it was available in 5 calibers from 22Short thru 32 long. Serial number- N/A. Production of the Model 2 started in 1873 and lasted until 1910. JavaScript is disabled. The state of New York held its own trials to replace its National Guard's . Caliber is 12.11mm Swedish Remington rimfire. 1 Sporting Rifles, which were appearing around 1873 at about serial number 1400. Swedish m/1867 rifle. In 1899-1900, Mexico bought 14,712 of these military-style rifles and carbines for issue to its second-line army troops, as well as to federal and rural police. This is the best way to reach us. Sweden: 237,000-257,000 rifles and carbines, including conversions of older rifles to rolling block. Original Spanish Contract Model. First pat. The plaque reads " From Stewart and James to Robert. If you're going to make a hole, make it a big one. In the end, the commission based their decision on price and complexity. E. Remington & Sons, Americas oldest firearms manufacturer, took over Geigers patent and assigned one of its chief engineers, Joseph Rider, to make the necessary refinements. The Remington Rolling Block was developed from the 1863 pattern .50 calibre split breech carbine issued to the US Cavalry during the American Civil War. Whether they produced battlefield images of the dead or daguerreotype portraits of common soldiers, []. Here is what Frank de Haas says in my copy of his book. months of the year, for example B=January, L= February Advertised until 1882. Most are well worn from desert exposure and show extreme wear and replaced parts. The prices below reflect the common refinished variation. I got the book from Buffalo Arms. On June 25 at the Little Bighorn in Montana Territory, Colonel Custer and his immediate command were wiped out, and his Remington rolling blockprobably the most famous one of all timewas lost forever from the pages of history. After leaving two wounded cowboys at the fort, Storys party of 28 pushed on, and in late October 1866, north of Fort Kearny, they faced even greater oddsan estimated 500 Sioux warriors readying for an attack. All have screw-retained barrel bands. and so on: B L A C Though an obsolete, low-powered, short-range number, it still remained popular. These rifles were essentially so called M1910, however, all are chambered in 8mm Lebel French service cartridge. These were made in Lige, Belgium, in .43 Egyptian calibre and were issued with a sword bayonet. Nearly all these rifles display heavy usage and pitting along the wood-to-metal fit areas and are found in good condition at best. Those having 75 percent case colors or more will reap the higher price accordingly. Stocks usually have unit markings and individual serial numbers. Roughly 5,000 were modified in 1888 and 1891 into carbines, firing 8 mm rimmed centerfire ammunition. They state that this version's serial numbers went up to about 144,000, but also that there is some overlap in the serial numbers with the second version. If it is i've got one of the first no#5's. I think it is safe to assume that the rifle was made sometime in 1879 or no earlier then 1878. We found some records of serial #s and years of production at the factory but they had serious conflicting information so would be of no help in establishing the exact year of production for your rifle. All have 35.5" barrels, except where indicated. google_ad_width = 160; However, it is believed Remington had large numbers on hand and kept them in the catalog hoping certain customers would eventually buy them out. Swedish m/1867 rifle. All were sold in the smokeless powder German 7.92mm Mauser chambering, since Mexico and most other Latin American countries had been using that cartridge since 1893. All my RB's have serial numbers, but then none of them are military. With the exception of the first 10,000 rifles and 20,000 actions (for conversions of older rifles), which were made by Remington in the US, all Remington M1867 rifles and carbines were made under license in Norway and Sweden, by Kongsberg Vaapenfabrik in Norway, and by Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag and Carl Gustafs stads Gevrsfaktori in Sweden with the two Swedish manufacturers producing about 80% of the weapons. Many of these were converted into hunting rifles and shotguns, so that it has become difficult to find an M1867 in its original form. (See more on the Remington company in the February 2006 Guns of the West department.). Once Riders mid- 1866 patent was issued, the simple but virtually indestructible rolling-block action became Remingtons new ace in the hole in countering the postCivil War glut of surplus arms that was putting many gun companies out of business. The top of the receiver ring was not "octagoned" like the later No. Model 1896 was offered in 7mm Spanish Mauser, 7.65mm Mauser, .30/40 Krag, 6mm (.236 Remington) and 7.62/.30 Remington. Argentine variants are marked identically, having Knoxform chamber as well. They continued to mark the date code on the end flap of the shipping box. Left-over Egyptian models were catalogued by Remington up to 1882 and were sometimes advertised as French Model. Prices below indicate Remington-made rifle. For the first few years the barrels of the M1867 were made of iron, but after 1871, steel became the standardized material. The following serial number Ed. Your low 3000 ser number would likely have been made in 1874. Those in original condition with both un-refinished metal and wood bring significantly higher prices as they are not common. enable_page_level_ads: true One of the largest contracts received by Remington was from Egypt. So this rifle was manufactured between 1873-1888. 1903 and 1903A3 Production and Serial No table. [8] rolling-block rifles chambered for the 858mmR were shorter than the M1867 rifles, with an overall length of 1,240mm (48.8in) and a barrel length of 840mm (33.1in).[9]. I think all the others have 4 digits but this one has only 2. About 200,000-220,000 military rifles and 7,000 military carbines using the m/1867 action were manufactured as complete weapons in Sweden, 100,000-120,000 rifles and 4,000 carbines by Carl Gustafs Stads Gevrsfaktori (a government owned arsenal) and 100,000 rifles and 3,000 carbines by Husqvarna Vapenfabriks Aktiebolag. Produced under license in Denmark, original Remington-made version is not commonly encountered. [15] Initially the Royal Danish Army bought 40,000 rifles and 1800 carbines in the United States between 18671868. The hardest thing I had to do when I bought it was to keep a straight face when the gun shop owner asked if I would be willing to pay $60.00 for it. These are very scarce variations and practically all are stamped with the Japanese Kanji characters of Surplus/Disposed Rifle with a Japanese/Chinese character numeration on the right side of the chamber. These revolvers were designed with a snub-nose barrel, which makes it [], The Colt 1860 Army revolver, also known as the Colt U.S. Cavalry revolver, was widely during the American Civil War. Upon reaching Fort Leavenworth, Kan., and hearing warnings that the Lakota leader Red Cloud was on the warpath, Story decided to buy a fresh shipment of Remington rifles and large quantities of ammunition. I do not remember if I was gathering information at that time. Not a common item due to their post war distribution to numerous French colonial areas as Indo-China etc. Prices for these three-band rifles are basically high in any condition. Over 98,000 7mm Remington Model 1897/02/10 rifles were produced until 1918. It is, however, the most commonly encountered of all Remington Rolling Block rifles in .43 Spanish caliber, as the Argentine government sold well over 25,000 to US surplus importers between 1959 and 1962. For sale is a This is a no reserve penny auction for a Remington Model 2 Rolling Block single-shot rifle in .32 Rimfire. . R2345 SERIAL NUMBER 96 REMINGTON 1-1/2 ROLLING BLOCK SPORTING RIFLE; 25-10 RF, 24 inch octagon barrel with a bright near excellent bore showing some light shadows ahead of the chamber and crisp rifling. I was just curious as to what they mean, or can tell us about the rifles. Practically all of these rifles have three-screw retained barrel bands. To make an offer please complete the form below: Minimum price for the offer must be greater than or equal to $0. It has lots of interesting articles on Remington firearms, ammunition, collectibles and Remington history! We may never know. That might be a possiblity since the barrel is marked " ST" but has no set trigger Anything is possible, but I doubt the 1874 date but who knows and the frustration continues. Later, in 1884, several M1867 were permanently modified to fire 22LR with an improved model of this device. Does anyone know if this is a serial #? In any case, the cowboys used the Remingtons effectively in fighting off an Indian attack near Fort Reno (in what would become Wyoming). Large-caliber repeating rifles had been serious competitors to all single-shot rifles as early as 1881 (with the single shots biggest advantage being their lower price), but now came the era of semi-automatic weapons and machine guns. The serial number is S 55035. Prices below reflect the original Remington product. google_ad_client: "ca-pub-5708522835464660",
I am grateful that John says the No 4 is probably an antique. On 8/9/99, stopped stamping the barrels with the date code. You notice that Remington used a smaller firing pin for it's Number 5 smokeless actions compared to the larger firing pin in the Number 1. $ 999.00. The barrel retains a good deal of original blue beginning to turn brown with scattered light dings. A forum community dedicated to the great outdoors and hunting enthusiasts. In the 1860s the Norwegian and Swedish armies realized that their standard rifles, both percussion lock breech-loading rifles and muzzle loaders, were rapidly becoming obsolete in the face of the new metal cartridge combining bullet, primer and propellant load. Noteworthy is that RV-marked Cuban carbines are usually re-chambered to the improved .43 Reformado cartridge, which is interchangeable with the Spanish Remington cartridge. While many of its single-shot, postCivil War peers had long since been discontinued, the Remington rolling block, with its modern heat-treated steels, made the transition into the future. The latest is a #2 Sporting rifle in .22 LR. The U.S. Army had switched over to smokeless powder in 1892. From the early 1870s the Norwegian armed forces used the 12.1744mm RF, which apart from the case length and overall length of the cartridge was identical to the original Norwegian-Swedish 12.1742mm RF. Its superior design was quickly recognized, and many nations, including Denmark, Egypt and Mexico, began to place orders. Ed. Contact Remington through their Help Center by e-mail at info@remington.com or call their historian at 1-800-243-9700 Mon-Fri 9-5 EST. This was a generic Remington Rolling Block chambered for .50-70 Government cartridge, with 36" barrel and three barrel bands. The configuration is a three-band rifle with a 36-inch barrel, and trigger-guard mounted rear sling swivel. Second Media Inc., 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Johnnie Bruguier was both French Canadian and Sioux and learned to straddle both worlds. Stamping starts with Remington,(not E Remington). Earlier models were supposed to be changed to this final design, but it is still possible to find M1867 with the original sights intact. The intention was to allow for cheaper training. It appears that many Rolling Blocks made in 1873 and up may well have spent considerable time either in storage at Remington or a hardware store etc. It affected both Europe and the USA. [6], Both M1867's for civilian use and M1867's used by the Swedish Frivilliga Skarpskytterrelsen ("The Volunteer Sharpshooter Movement", patterned on the British Volunteer Force and numbering 40,000 men in 1865, all of them provided with military rifles and wearing military style uniforms by the Swedish armed forces) were made for, or converted to, centerfire 12.1744mmR cartridges since, unlike the 12.1742mm rimfire cartridges used in the military, the centerfire cartridges could be reloaded. Remington Model 2 Rolling Block - .32 Rimfire. The Model 2 is easy to distinguish from all other Rem RB's by its curvature at the rear of the frame where it joins the buttstock. It appears to be the first series of the No. The action was extremely strong, and could easily withstand the increased pressure of the new smokeless powders coming into use by the late 1880s. In fact, as early as 1908, the Remington company had come out with a semi-automatic rifle, the Model 8. [5] Other varieties were "gevr m/1867-74" with a new rear stock design and "kammarskjutningsgevr m/1884" and "kammarskjutningskarbin m/1884" in 10.15x61R Jarmann (rifles and carbines primarily used for gallery shooting, that is short range training). The British Empire purchased rolling-blocks to arm the Egyptian Army during the 1870s. By 1866 the Remington-Rider rolling block rifle had evolved. On both tangs it has the #79 stamped. Not consenting or withdrawing consent, may adversely affect certain features and functions. Between 1878 and 1882, Remington had no customers for left-over Egyptian contract rifles. I realize they could have put it on both tangs so they could rematch trigger guard with frame after fitting parts. According to Rem records the No. (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({ on top flat, and equipped with an Austrian Werndl type rear sight, three screw retained barrel bands and long saber bayonet lug. The frame is a small to medium size between the heavy actions of the target and military rifles but larger than the small-frame .22 rifles. So, it would appear your estimate is very close. It gave all the information you asked for. Loomis, was introduced in 1890 and produced through 1933. by Uechi Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:24 pm, Post The original caliber of Greek Model was .42 Russian Berdan, which is practically identical to .43 Spanish, aside from the larger diameter neck and bullet of the latter. by roundtop Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:57 pm, Post Using these barrel codes to date a shotgun is somewhat unreliable, as shotgun barrels are often interchanged at random. First few years (1901-1903) it was available as the model 6, then from 1903-1929 available as the New Model Improved (virtually identical to the original model 6, & from 1929 to 1933 available as the Improved Model 6. The difference is minor, the Norwegian rifles have brass buttplates and head of the cleaning rod, and steel mounting bands, while Swedish rifles have iron furniture. The Model 2 is easy to distinguish from all other Rem RB's by its curvature at the rear of the frame where it joins the buttstock. All the serial numbers match in every location. by Uechi Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:00 am, Post manufacture. The sight of the rifle was the last item to be standardized because no one could agree on which would be best. Few of these have survived and no more than three have been viewed by the author, but it is certain there are more in circulation. The M1867 rifle became very popular among civilian hunters in Sweden, particularly for moose hunting, which led to Husqvarna Vapenfabrik producing about 85,000 rifles with the M1867 rolling-block action for the civilian market, in addition to the more than 100,000 they made for the armed forces. According to John and Roy's book, this was introduced in 1890 and discontinued in 1900, when it was replaced by the lever takedown version. They are otherwise identical to the original second and third Spanish contract rifles, aside from the 12.11mm chambering. Like Sweden and Norway, Denmark adopted the rifle in 1867 in 1141,5mmRF (11 mm caliber). The most comprehensive and authoritative history site on the Internet. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community.
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