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First let me say that I am 88 years old and have been playing Hireko golf clubs, particularly their THRIVER for 8 years. Wishon Golf, GolfWorks, and Golfsmith are good quality with their own designs. Whether you are just getting into the game or the seasoned vet trying to score a great deal, we have it. 1. Ill start off by saying I have both OEM and clone clubs in my bag (I have the new Taylor Made R1 driver which I love that just replaced my old Taylor Made R7 and Ping 3 hybrid, and some older Ping woods). $249.99. Keep up the great work! GigaGolf offers True Temper shafts as their standard shaft and you can upgrade to different shafts and grips of your choosing. Looking at the performance, there isnt, in my mind, a clear winner. As a group, ball speeds averaged a full 3.5 MPH faster with the name brand Burner. I buy most of my club making supplies through GolfWorks but I will occasionally purchase golf shafts/grips from Hireko as they have really good closeout sales at times. And while I might argue that over the last couple of years theyve taken a small step backwards in those areas, they remain largely ahead of the curve. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34"; Ping Scottsdale TR Craz-E, 35"; Cleveland Huntington Beach 1, 35" Used to play tourney plus perimeter weight forged irons with stiff gold dynamic shafts those days are gone. May 21, 2020 in General Equipment Talk. Even the raw materials received were sometimes out of tolerance. Are Acer and Pinhawk owned by Hireko? I called Hireko and spoke to the guy who makes the videos (tech line). He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in If your shooting 92 at your home course with a set of Pings you can shoot a 92 with clones. After viewing product detail pages, look here to find an easy way to navigate back to pages you are interested in. Construction, Material, or Quality. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, (your email address will not be published), Costco Kirkland Performance + Golf Ball (Version 3), Costco Kirkland Signature Wedges Version 2, http://www.diamondtour.com/golf-bags.html, http://www.pinemeadowgolf.com/golf-clubs/accessories/. Not surprisingly, the Burner also produced the greater shot height for 2 of our 3 testers. How many 20 plus handicaps do you know that spend hundreds of dollars each year ensuring they have the latest name brand technology in their bag? It states that Tom Wishon actually designed the first titanium driver head in the early ninetys way before any OEM had one on the market. It does however cost money to get started in golf. Golf is a game of honor. Dont lump everyone into a category. Counterfeits and Clones from the same cloth I now own a complete set of the GigaGolf forged cavity backs along with a set of Giga woods and play to a legit 7 handicap. Testers Wanted: Maxfli Tour Series Golf Balls! First off you might be surprised to know that in the computer industry the clone market was hugeand believe it or not names like Compaq, Dell and Gateway all started as clone computer companies. OK, dianond tours own shaft in smoke is just gorgous,and cheap,(deep smoke,or gold) DTs heads, and winn grips. and its fitted perfectly to you,(from your pros stats) everyone looks at my clubs, and get really impressed by the beauty,..and they play very good. I am only new to golf but got a set of clones from giga golf for a bargain price. My back and joints are grateful. So while, technically you may not be buying and thereby promoting counterfeit clubs, you are in fact enabling those same facilities to continue by buying Clones/Knock-Offs. For those that are dead set against clonesyou should remember this.many name brand models are modeled after other companies designs as well. Keep them coming! I found that both sets hit almost exactly the same distance with the same loft, atleast I cannot notice any difference. A different animal than what the test was. For 2 of the 3 testers, the Burner produced more spin, however; as weve suggested, not by any significant amount. Light and low torque. I have contacted Hireko customer service in the past and they were very nice/knowledgeable. The clubs were built with FST 90 regular tip trimmed shafts for a 6 iron. I paired that up w a recoil pull and I love that club, it's my go-to for tee shots if driver isn't behaving. One of the quotes from your comment is absolutely wrong. I have seen some things that would shock you about the quality of some of the BIG name brand models. Your link has been automatically embedded. Oneday 8 years ago I saw an add from Hireko for their THRIVER. OK.today is going to be a good one golfspies! The rest (save for some Ping), come from Japan. I buy most of my club making supplies through GolfWorks but I will occasionally purchase golf shafts/grips from Hireko as they have really good closeout sales at times. Learn how your comment data is processed. Just discovered Golf works and like their components as well. That was a great article, anything that can spark so much emotion and debate is a good thing. Thank you. Thank you for the update. That's great feedback! The point of his article, as with any good marketing person, the tolerances of his product offerings were much tighter than the competition. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. Almost every golfer has an opinion about the topic when askedso we felt it would make for a great labs article. Im talking pure clones not Bang, Geek, Krank, etc. One of the two is a multiple major tournament winner. Theoretically your using the same shaft is incorrect. Custom fitting is no longer a specialty service reserved only for tour players. Some, like Frank Thomas (former USGA Tech. Pinemeadows offers a lower end shaft as their standard, but you can upgrade too. Ive been eyeing the Dynacrafts, and drooling over the KZGs. By the way, I played with an 86 yr old man and he had all mismatched clubs. I have used this club as my driver.It has a 13 degree face, It have spent way over $1,000 on drivers and never satisfied. It would have been interesting to see how the original performed. ! Select from our vast assortment of clubheads, custom assembled with your choice of shaft, flex, grip, grip size Some such as Geek dont even sell irons. Clone manufacture has or no room for using inferior quality materials if the Callaways, Titleists or Pings of the world were to charge to give a reasonable profit rather than charge to produce huge margins. Bottom Line: For some folks a clone will dodepends on what kind of player they are -or want to become.Ive used a Pinemeadow clone putter and holed just as many shots as I have with an Odyssey White Hot Two Ballmethinks the main problem with clones might be psychological as one wonders how much better the real thing isand of course clones have zero resale value if that becomes an issue later on down the road. I do proudly carry 3 PW Maltby MMBs (forged blades) with Project X shafts, custom fit to my length. I bought a pickup truck bed worth of components from the estate of a mom/pop club builder. They both feature dual-crown technology, and of course, a lower center of gravity for higher launch, and lower spin. Although I have made several sets of look alikes mostly from Hireko I have found the Irons are great and although they should always be checked for loft and lie after assembly that using a good shaft the work just great. Both my Acer XKs and XFs were all either on spec or less than one gram off (.8g being the farthest off). A test such as yours would better be done on mechanical equipment such as the ball manucturers use. While the TaylorMade Burner is a true glossy black, the Heated has what Id call a medium gloss gray. I like them a lot, price was great, looks are great and pleased with the performance. It is less and less common. The clone guys will tell you that the name brand stuff is overpriced and doesnt perform any better than the OEM stuff they were designed to look like. Clones what good are they? Obviously this test doesnt begin to cover all of the combinations. Apart from obvious esthetic differences, one noteworthy point of differentiation is that the Tour Burner takes a .350 tip shaft, where as the clone (the Heated), takes a .335. You decide what you want. I also spoke with owners of many of the businesses that sell those products and confirmed from that end as well. A boyish 25-year-old Californian, he has been selling golf clubs since he was 15. The topic were covering in Edition #2 of the MyGolfSpy Labs is one of the most debated topics the golf equipment industry has had for the past 30 years! Great story Iron Set for Men (5,6,7,8,9,PW,AW,SW) Right Handed with Regular Flex Steel Shaft, WHI-711, Set 9 pcs(4,5,6,7,8,9,PW,GW,SW) or Individual, Iron 7 for Men Right Handed Golfers -(Flex- Regular), Kids Golf Set with Glove, Balls, Tees, and Towel, Golf Season is Here. Factory heads seldom are more than 1-2 grams off specification. Expected an article comparing clone(s) plural. They just cannot afford it! Tom Wishon, he himself a club designer who has his stuff made in the Far East, backs up MGSs facts. I get great loft and distance. Great review! I'm happy with it. Display as a link instead, Golfsmith were, er, well Golfsmith and we'll leave it at that. First I will answer the bottom line question "Do the clubs from Hirekostand up to Maltby?" No U.S. assembly. Pasted as rich text. Reshafting These services usually take 5 to 7 days, as we have to order Has anyone ever stolen a customer of yours? Yes, I know this is a 2011 article. I had a few years where I didnt play, but now that I am single digits HC I am going to spend the money for NameBrand clubs. that would be true in large part. . Other factors, the subjective stufflooks, sound, feel, etc. They are concentrating on Counterfeits and Copies, but again, Clones and Knock Offs are part of the same problem. In addition, the swingweight and flex are also the same. Thanks guys, have fun. I think I am going to get some components and try building an over length set. And also just so you know OEMs have almost always tried to prevent foundries from doing clone products at the same foundriesbut it happens everyday. Orkut drivers = oem drivers. I worked for Arnold Palmer Golf back in the dark ages and built and sold clones and knock offs for 20 years. Example, a set i built last year,.winn tac mac grips(the best)DTs smoke shaft,(as good as a 30dollar shaft)black& silver ferrells, and DTs cavityback blade heads in smoke/black color, (really sharp) with all 4 Diamond Tours wedges,.and 2 matching hybrids(#2,#3) with head covers,..BUILT for ME, (short man), so set was shortened cut,shafts spline alin, lie angle changed 2 degrees flat, loft angle adjusted, all assembly,packed, shipped to my door,..for I think it was around $ 450 +/- ! WebThe Orlimar Intercept Single Length irons are all about developing consistency. For example it will look identical to the name brand model and even have the same name (ex: Taylormade R11 will be on both soles and look identical). But the same thing can be said about some of the name brand models as well. No Research and Design Costs. Shop products from small business brands sold in Amazons store. Paying full freight is worth it if the performance dictates. Built my wife an Acer driver in 14*loft, she loves it. Callaway threatened to sue Kent Graphtec over its Big Bursar driver, alleging patent, trademark and trade dress (trademark-design) infringement. With respect to backspin the numbers are incredibly close. Once the swing is dialed in, then perhaps rewarding yourself with an expensive set of clubs is a great goal. which are probably built to higher and tighter specifications than are branded merchandise. There are better clone models of this driver, although we decided to go with a mid-tier model. All you have to do is make a few changes to keep anyone from suing you, Zhu said of equipment that walks the fine line between whats legal and whats not.. We do not. I played a set of extremely cheap looking rental clubs. Of course, they would like to purchase the real thing and/or get fitted for a truefit set. Our team of expert fitters fits more than 500 delighted customers a year!Our staff of skilled club fitters is passionate about providing the highest level of customer service. Im fitted properly to my clones which is half the battle. Although new legislation is going to clarify this further. Yup, found that article. The altered logo would be applied to the graphite shafts Yarn-Way was making for Lious Integra line. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Nearly all heads are made in China, but that isnt the point. Okay, you somewhat mixed it up. Might as well play with a half set. Thats the sound of the hammer hitting the nail right on the head. Years ago Maltby (Golfworks founder) did a quality study on the tolerances of his clubs versus clones, dont recall if he sampled OEMs as well. As mentioned above, I believe you should research more on this topic before writing an entire article denouncing the use of clone products. Ive put them up against the latest and greatest and theres just not enough difference for me to rationalize a grand for off the rack. So I just bought a real Titleist driver. at this price, you can keep in trunk, travel without worrying to much,..the set the year before,i tried razer clone heads,got a little rust in grooves, and diamond tour took them back, and build me an upgraded set for small little extra,.! I am/was a Dynacraft Class A clubmaker and a member of the old Dynacraft ProfessionalClubmakers Society. Before posting this article I re-confirmed with 3 foundries that they do indeed make them for both markets still. For all 3 testers, the TaylorMade Burner produced measurably higher clubhead speeds than the clone. From what I understand Dynacraft was a big name with amateur club builders and both dynacraft and hireko did/do a lot of club building education and seminars. Iwant to know why you didnt do the same for irons? I would actually like to see more tests done on off brand stuff, like the KZGs or Warrior custom golf (you know who you are, I played them to). Turner T7 that resembles a TaylorMade r7. And all golfers know it isnt them, it is the clubs. These companies and others (Alpha, GeekGolf, KZG, etc) have very high quality, custom designed components that are just as good and in many cases better than the name brand manufactures. There are other companies with their own designs not knock-offs nor clones. But the same thing has already happened in electronics, computers and even automobiles. The Heated, however, wellas much as I would love to tell you that it offers similar feel, I cant. Cant help but weigh in here. Championship). As much as I preach performance first, theres only so much Im willing to sacrifice in terms of esthetics, sound, and feel. the consumer. Fewer? In no way do I have the means to measure every single piece of equipment to find out how many clones or OEMs were outside of tolerance but Im willing to bet its not as much of a disparity as some people would lead you to believe. I cant say enough good things about the quality of the clubs I have purchased from Giga. Kent Graphtec dealt primarily in knockoff clubs, products with names such as King Snake and Big Bursar, simulations of the popular clubs King Cobra and Big Bertha. Lets connect the dots. If it was that cut and dry wed all be playing the same club. So thinking that only clones and counterfeits are made there is just preposterous. WebThis Meant grips, shaft, length and even tweaking the head itself. Lasers are used to copy the exterior of high selling clubs; again, there is no internal accuracy, nor the same construction, material or quality. They might could provide you with design answers/informationyou might have. Do you not find all of those cases wrong, frustrating, and near impossible to prove? I trust GolfWorks regarding their club head model designs/quality and spec tolerances. No Reps. No Service. I trust GolfWorks regarding their club head model designs/quality and spec tolerances. Lets not forget the Titleist Speeder shaft which is a Graffalloy Pro Custom, ($20) shaft or Calloways sourcing their shafts from several manufactures with only the barest of specs. I built a set of Pinhawk single length and gave them a good run for a year using two different sets of shafts. Both I felt were manufactured from just poor quality materials all around (shaft, club head and grips). How is the overall health of golf these days? with hosel weight bore allows assembly to any single length between 35.5 and 37.5 while still being able to achieve a reasonable range of swingweight/MOI (depending on shaft weight and grip weight), Looking for more consistency from your iron game? Dont believe all this nonsense you have heard or read and then presented as factola! R.J. owned Kent Graphtec, an importer of club components from Taiwan and, later, China. I have been hitting fitted Giga Golf TRX slot irons. I have hit them myself and compared a set of them with my name brand and really with the same shaft,,,, they were every bit as good and a bit better in some respects cause I made them to fit and every component was checked. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. Chances are noIf it does, it will be short lived. We carry a full line of product offerings, from best value starter and junior So not stolen lol. The assertion made that many Clones are made in the same factories as OEM clubs is unsubstantiated and simply incorrect.. If you agree that Counterfeit Clubs and Copies are Illegal, does it not then bother you that even though Knock-Offs/Clones are currently Legal, they are still made by the same factories in China? Im sorry but some of your facts are wrong. Anybody that uses a cheap clone head should be able to figure out why theres such a difference in price. (LOVE THE MILITARY CAMO BAG THEY HAVE only $59 too ;). While all the content of what you said may be correct there is more to clone/knockoff/etc. That would tell us all something about OEM vs non OEM in general this test didnt do that. The later hurts the Golf Manufacturers and the integrity of their designs, thereby hurts all involved, Reps, Retailers, and yes ultimately the game of golf. Your previous content has been restored. Reshafting These services usually take 5 to 7 days, as we have to order the shafts. Inside was a TaylorMade wedge. Theyre still something to consider, its just they dont get the play on Tour or heavy ad-machines compelling people to buy their stuff. This allows the golfer to use the same swing, on the same plane, with the same feel, for each iron in the set. However: the result you provided does tell us that one club seems not twenty-five percent better to justify the cost difference, but as with a new suit, cost is a factor to most people some believing the lower cost buys the good-enough quality and some believe they deserve the best, and humans equate best with price. Id love to see MGS compare irons. Speaking of non OEM brands, which of the following irons will be best quality for play- Maltby, Wishon,, Alpha, Kzg, Hireko, etc. The brand doesnt seem to make much difference in quality to me. Material used is cheaper. WebGOLFDOM is THE Golfer's Store, complete with everything our customers need for on AND off the course. Callaway X Forged UT Individual Irons. Sosomewhere along the line, we forgot what part of the article was about actual comparison of Driver X versus Driver Brand. I need cheap clubs and their just as good. No wonder the golfing consumer doesnt take the component head biz seriously.when I read this type of stuff..I am bewildered. Golf Galaxy Certified Club Technicians use The connections between CLones and Counterfeits have been made. The deal is, my bag cost what some people pay for a set of irons. (Yes that myth is true), There are basically 3-tiers of golf club manufacturing to make it simple. Its unfortunate that it is that way- but these clones/component brands do offer some that may not otherwise get the pleasure of playing such a great game a chance to do so. Couldnt make up my mind as to which one I liked best. Roger is a Titleist Master fitter. It may be understandable that we as consumers can be fooled by Counterfeits/Copies (Illegal), but there is no way anyone of us could not identify a Clone/Knock-Off (Legal). If you choose to purchase new golf clubs from us, your clubs will be custom-built to your specifications at prices comparable to major online retailers. Why buy a clone when you can get very good used OEM or used component clubs from great firms like Wishon or KZG? I for one would like to see more tests of component clubs similar to the Dynacraft Prophet Tour Iron test done a few months back. Of course, golf clubs are about more than performance. Thereby, purchasing Clones ultimately supports those factories who build Counterfeit clubs. Secondly, please read Roy Nixs article from the AGCP Whos cloning who. You may wonder what the difference is between the counterfeit vs. clone. I have made clubs for myself using Hireko components. Note that Pinhawk is a Featured Categories. I have built clubs as a hobby for some time and certainly am happy to hear your testing results on brand names vs. clones. Are there clones that are made with poor qualityYES. Anyway shot an 83 at a course I never played on with clubs I never swung before. Wherever corners could be cut in the manufacturing process they were.